while reading the "first confessor : legend og magda searus", i thought to myself though there are some similarities between the two, magda searus makes khallan amnell seem very weak. that is if you compare their trials, resources at their didposal and tiumphs. dont you guys agree?
I really want to read this one but I have been told that it is only available on E-book, it is the only one that I haven't read yet but I did manage to read the first chapter on the internet. does anyone know if it is possible to get it in a hard copy?
Does anyone know why the hell they don't release it in physical format? I hate reading things like a book on a computer. I do not have a ereader and have no plans to buy one in the near future sadly so I cannot see myself able to read this book and I really want to.
Terry why do you do this to a loyal fan who has bought ALL your other SoT books?!?!
I, too, would love for Terry to release this in physical format. I've recently become a devoted fan (I watched LEGEND OF THE SEEKER first, however, to avoid the disappointment suffered when doing it the other way around as I did with Harry Potter, The Host, Twilight, etc.) and I personally cannot stand ebook formats. Call me old fashioned but I have to be able to hold the book and smell the paper and see the print instead of sitting in front of a computer screen (I, too, refuse to waste money on an eReader) looking at pixels. I've got Debt of Bones, Wizard's First Rule and Stone of Tears but now I wanna read Magda and can't because of the lack of hardcopy :(
I found out why the Magda Searus book is not going to be released physically. It may be because Terry self published this book for some reason and not Tor like his normal books. Although he did make like 300 Collectors editions in physical copy apparently along with a bunch of other stuff.
Well, when I can carry 300+ books on my kindle that weighs less than a paperback... I think the benefits of an ereader outweigh the cons. But that's personal preference.
As for Magda vs Kahlan? I dunno. Emotionally, I think Magda went through a lot more than Kahlan did judging from what we know of her past and First Confessor. I just find the whole "zombie" plot more than a little disapointing... seems like most forms of fictional entertainment these days has to stoop to zombies and it does get old. As far as the better fighter? Kahlan without a doubt. Her leading the war in Faith of the Fallen pretty much puts her permanantly into the badass category.
As to the necessity of a e-reader, I agree with you that it is completely dependent upon personal preference. Yes, it is clearly the most sensible modern printing form, one that requires no actual printing. Yet, for the exact reason I myself do not use an e-reader, is that there is a certain joy in collecting novels, duplicates, hardcovers, first editions, limited editions, that makes the print medium viable not to the world, but to me (and a few others). Perhaps, when I finally run out of shelf space and my pages all yellow and rot will I realize the efficiency of a kindle or a nook. But until then, I suppose I am content with this somewhat archaic act, and am happy to call it a hobby.
Ah, and there is this other reason I don't move to e-readers. It has been on my mind for sometime because It is quite difficult to explain. But let me try to do so now. Have you ever had to use an online textbook for classes? It is not the same as reading a print text, is it? The reason I choose textbooks as a example is because of the way one tends to read a textbook. We constantly flip back and forth, from definition to definition, from equation to equation, searching, re-reading, re-re-reading. As you flip through the text, you have this feeling of location, where some particular part of the book is in relation to the thickness or area of the book. I cannot say I have that same sense of direction with a online book. If I read through and I want to come back to a memorable scene, it is much more difficult, in my opinion, to do so where all you can only see a single page at a time, whereas in a print book, you can hold two or more sets of pages open at a time.
I don't know if that makes any sense, but that "flat", dimensionless sensation I get when I read a e-book is unsettling at times. Make of it what you will. I may have to rephrase to capture my thoughts in a more effective way.
Oh, and about Kahlan and Magda. Definitely Kahlan. Your argument sums up the topic pretty well.
You definitely hit on one of the biggest cons of an e-reader there, the lack of efficency in flipping back and forth and I'll generally opt for the physical copy of anything I'm studying/researching. For the most part, this is a moot point in novels though since most of the time you're going to read them in order. The only time I felt the lack was reading the Song of Ice and Fire books for the first time earlier this year(how did I miss out on these so long?) with so many characters each book requires a freaking index to keep track of them all. There's also a counterbalance to being able to search for a word or phrase and go straight to it.
As I said, in my humble opinion... which is applicable only to me, the pros outweigh the cons. Certainly your hobby, as you term it, is no more silly than any other hobby in which we spend far much more money and time than we likely should! I'm not emptying my bookshelves by any means, just... not adding to them anymore for the most part since it's so utterly convienent to not have to leave the house, have a new book in seconds, and be reading it. I've heard others describe similarly the "flat" sensation you refer to. I confess, I really can't see what you or others are referring to there. I do dislike reading on a phone or ipad because of the computer screen effect, but a kindle and nook have the whole paperwhite thing, and it was never a strain on my eyes. Quite the opposite since I can format the text anyway I like. But again, that's just me and we all have our quirks. :)
You're description of A Song of Ice and Fire is very accurate, haha. I have much the same feelings, what with all the places, characters, events. It gets a bit out of hand. I can say this though: there is a certain motivation to pick up an e-reader rather than a physical book, I think, due to the simplicity of finding your book, your page, etc. That is how I read A Game of Thrones and I must say, it was the fastest reading I had ever done. Come A Clash of Kings, which was paperback, my motivation to pick up the novel and read a few pages was, surprisingly, not there. I looked at the book and deemed it too much effort to open, keep open, and read with both hands while I had homework, social "work", and other obligations. The portability of an e-reader had me beat. I had not experienced that laziness before, but it was very peculiar. Now, that you bring up Martin's books, it seems you've made me remember where my e-reader days began. Looking back now, there is a stark (no pun intended...okay, intended) contrast between the two mediums. Frankly, after looking over it all, I would for simplicity's sake, take to the e-reader. Who knows? Perhaps I will. Needless to say there are many many pros and cons to the use of an e-reader. For some it works wonders, for others it doesn't. As for me, I suppose reminiscing on the years of Martin has skewed my view on e-readers. What's the best one, you'd say?
Okay, I must say, I am urged, more than before, to purchase an e-reader now. But this unwillingness to open a paperbound book is really disturbing to me. That I could sweep through Goodkind's Sword of Truth series, all eleven books, in a short two months (most of which approached the 1000 page mark, yet not have to motivation to finish A Clash of Kings within a whole semester is, I must say, worthy of attention. Perhaps pivotal, albeit short experience with the e-reader has truly changed me, more than I know. I rely less and less on textbooks now, turning to the wonderful ease that accompanies the internet, or more specifically, Google. Why, I haven't even opened my mathematics book thus far in the semester. I suppose I am just that technology oriented now, and I never before realized it until now. Even now, as I put words on the screen before me, I continue to ponder the implications of such a shift in personality and behavior. Some condemn it as the vice of our generation, yet others praise it as the fruit of human ingenuity and innovation. As for me, I don't know what to think. I'd like to remain a hybrid creature, relying both on text and e-text, but only time will tell.
Quite a drastic change of mindset since my last post, wouldn't you say? But hey, when the only constant is change, as Heraclitus said, what can I expect. Paperback today, e-reader tomorrow.
This has been a supremely satisfying thread. It has gone beyond simply discourse, and into what I believe a self-examining experience. Quite a gift at times.
Just read The First Confessor on kindle. (By the way, Amazon.com have a free kindle app you can download to your computer or laptop, and you can then get first confessor for around $7.00.) I really like Magda, she does indeed make Kahlan seem a little less awesome, especially when she gets hold of the Sword of Truth and does a Richard-style 'Dance of Death' all her own. Another great strong female character from Terry! I like that. (In a nice e-mail I received from him he told me that he was inspired to create his first strong female character by a powerful looking statue of a winged Greek goddess he used to look at, and Kahlan Amnell was born!) Reading First Confessor before the Sword of Truth works both ways, in one way you know and understand better so much of what is being talked about in SOT, the creation of the Confessors, the SOT itself, the Temple of the Winds, Kolo's journal, the Confessor white dress, the Book of Counted Shadows, ect. On the other hand, it makes for a few spoilers in that there are things that characters are trying to do or looking for, sometimes for a whole book, and you already know that their wasting their time, it won't work or whatever. Some of the 'what's going to happen?' suspense may be ruined a bit since you already know. But then again maybe that adds to it? That's up to you. As to the First Confessor as a story: great characters in my opinion, good storyline, interesting twists, moves along at a good pace. I think it adds greatly to the SOT, as does Debt of Bones, bringing Magda and her wizard Merritt to life rather than just being names that people mention from time to time. Overall a very interesting read...in my humble opinion.
I really don't think you can make to much of a fair comparrison between Magda and Kahlan. Mainly because we do not know much about Magda's early years/family and we know quite a bit that in my oppionion makes Kahlan seem the stronger as she has had to endure more.
The fact that Kahlan was born a confessor vs Magda choosing to become one may seem to be a point in Magda's favor but you then have to take into account that Kahlan grew up hated and feared because of her power and that she could never have the love of another unlike Magda who gets to have 2 Husbands that she loves very much. I mean wouldn't it be worse growing up and seeing others happy but knowing you never can?!
Magda took on responsibility which are major points in her favor but Kahlan was born to responsibility and excelled in living up to it beyond what most would ever have to.
The fact is that Kahlan is a better fighter than Magda with the sword, she even managed to defeat Richard during training ounce in the beggining of Faith. She is also a better general and leader as we saw in Stone of Tears when she led the Galen forces with the help of the 3 Mud People hunters against the Orders army.
Magda's main points are the fact that she stepped up when her Husband died and I agree that has got to be one of the toughest things. However compare this to what happened in Stone when Kahlan has to make Richard put on the Sisters collar to save his life.
Magda is awesome don't get me wrong but Kahlan is just better imho but this does NOT take away from how much I still love Magda. My heart is big enough for both amazing women.
Lets say they are BOTH awesome in their differing ways. Great strong female characters, which I always like, though I still admire Magda because she made a choice to be a Confessor, whereas Kahlan was stuck with it, like it or not, and didn't seem to be too happy about aspects of her power even though she lived up to it splendidly. One of the reasons I like terry's books is in fact his strong females, women who don't need to be helped all the time, requiring a big strong macho man to rescue them. Nothing angers me more than the sort of thing so popular in movies where the good guy fights the bad guy while the woman stands with her hands to her mouth, watching and doing nothing. Terry's women would pick up something heavy and bash the baddie over the head! (Which I think most women in real life would do) Or the woman in a movie who tries to run and ALWAYS trips and falls and gets caught. Kahlan just chucks a knife and somebody chasing her. Much better.
So Magda joins all those other great Terry females: Kahlan (awesome), Cara (simply superb, and so funny in a caustic way), Denna (who I really like for her wonderful act of pure love in offering herself to the Keeper for someone she cared about), Berdine and Raina (the death of Raina was I think the saddest scene I've ever read, I actually cried), all the other Mord-Sith, Nicci, Verna and the Sisters of the Light, Jensen (yes, I actually liked Jensen, very brave and strong, and she loved her pet, which was nice, even though Betty seemed to annoy other fans), and so on.
I would hope that Terry might consider more Magda books, perhaps a series in fact, following her adventures in the Great War and after. That would be interesting.
DPW wrote: Lets say they are BOTH awesome in their differing ways. Great strong female characters, which I always like, though I still admire Magda because she made a choice to be a Confessor, whereas Kahlan was stuck with it, like it or not, and didn't seem to be too happy about aspects of her power even though she lived up to it splendidly.
I would hope that Terry might consider more Magda books, perhaps a series in fact, following her adventures in the Great War and after. That would be interesting.
Here is a question for you though, do you think Magda would have agreed to being a Confessor had Barachus still been alive?! I mean if she didn't know perhaps that his love would protect him. She would have had the same reaction Kahlan had ounce she fell in love with Richard. Also do you think she would have liked the fact that if she did give birth to a male child that it would have to be killed like the Confessors of Kahlans day? Magda never also had to truly be hated or feared even by those she loved. I don't, however these were things that Kahlan had to grow up with. Not to mention giving confessions to child molesters (not reffering to Denim Naas here but to the first confession she ever did that she describes to Richard in WFR).
And you would blame, or hold it against, Kahlan that she didn't like certain parts of being a Confessor?! Only someone damaged in the mind would have no problems with it.
I'd be surprised if anyone would actually like the Confessor power, since it really wasn't very nice. Being a Confessor wasn't an enjoyable occupation by a long way, going around poker faced destroying people's minds and never being able to enjoy love, having to destroy a man simply to have a baby confessor, and killing off the odd boy baby! Not a great job description, plus the fact that despite their being there to help people nobody liked them! They were respected yes, but it was the 'respect' born more of fear more than anything else, and everybody was glad when they left. I feel the Confessors and the Mord-Sith were very alike in many ways, both being basically nice women living lives that were not of their choosing, one by birth and the other by force, both disliked by everybody and both having little real pleasure in their lives beyond their duty, though both doing that enforced and not very nice duty superbly and both admirable in their own differing way. The idea of all the thousands of Confessors and Mord-Sith who would have lived out their dismal lives over the centuries is quite depressing. It's nice that Kahlan can break through the restricting and horrible love ban of the Confessors and be free to enjoy an emotion unknown to those who went before her, and that the Mord-Sith can after centuries find a Lord Rahl who sees their true worth and the genuine beauty and even love that lies behind their seemingly evil exterior, a Lord Rahl who one could say is really worthy of their devoted service.
Would Magda agree to being a Confessor if Baraccus was alive? If he had told her it was required to save the Midlands I would say yes, she seems to be the sort of woman who would still have made that choice, even knowing all the drawbacks. As it is she is willing to risk her life without any thought at all, so I would think a woman of such great strength of character and love of others would make that choice.
I must say I also really like Naja, especially the way she deals with the guards who try to stop them. No messing with that woman! It would have been nice to see a bit more of her. I do hope Terry does some follow up story with Magda, Merritt and Naja. It would make for a great tale wouldn't it? Seems to me Magda and Naja would be a great bash-em-up duo, rather like Kahlan and Cara. Actually Naja is very much in the Cara mould, if they get in your way just beat the stuffing out of them!
Yeah, could be a bit of both. I thought the grabbing the knife bit was more of a Cara thing though, like she did when her power wasn't working. Nicci would have just reduced them to a pile of ash. (I like Nicci!)
Hope you could read the sideways part at the top OK. I tried to fix it but couldn't it. Never seen anything like that happen before.
DPW wrote: Yeah, could be a bit of both. I thought the grabbing the knife bit was more of a Cara thing though, like she did when her power wasn't working. Nicci would have just reduced them to a pile of ash. (I like Nicci!)
Well Nicci also has used a knife in fighting when she didn't have access to her power. As Kahlan told her it's not that hard, just stick the pointy end into someone you don't like lol.
True Nicci did indeed, and used one to put Hania out of her pain, an early example of her being kind, but she wouldn't have Cara's ability to fight with one. After all Cara can fight with weapons, as well as her hands and feet, so she would be superior in that regard. Still, Nicci as determined as she is, wouldn't be one to mess with either if she could get close to somebody.
What think you about follow up stories to The First Confessor? If Terry ends the Richard & Kahlan saga with Severed Souls, I think a series of Magda, Merritt, Naja books would be a great idea. A new trio, Magda the new Kahlan, Merritt a combination of Richard and Zedd, and I suppose Naja a super Cara, since she has magic as well as fighting spirit. I think they'd be great.
I liked Magda as a character from her one novel more than I did Kahlan. She just seemed more... real with a clear set of character traits, strengths, flaws and limitations. Kahlan grew up speaking every language, history expert, skilled diplomat, expert tactician and strageist, veteran warrior on top of her magic ex machina powers. Her main character flaw was just grief over being alone due to her powers and that was washed away in the first novel only to be repeated whenever Richard and Kahlan are seperated again and again.
Magda just seemed more relatable as a human character. You can relate to her grief over Barracus, her unjustified jealousy at the sliph, her problems with Lothain's unwanted advances, her wanting to help despite not being a great warrior or powerful magician, and her interactions with Naja, Merritt, Alric and the rest just seem natural than Kahlan who just always seems to have the answer or know where to get it, whereas Magda had to work for it and grow as a character.
It could be if/when TG writes more Magda novels her character flaws and niches will erode similar to Kahlan, but that would be disapointing.