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  • It seems to me that Zed dying did not seem exactly right and I suspect he may just be alive and well somewhere...Here is why:

    1) foreshadowing- his multiple talks to Richard about just leaving everything and living your own life

    2) He has faked his own death before with a death spell (I think it was called) and he did the same with Kahlyn

    3) when he did fake his own death he used beheading to do it (I believe)

    4) one sorceress bested the First Wizard when he surprised her??? Even with occult powers Zed has been through worse situations.  It seems plausable that he may have taken advantage of the situation and her not knowing any better took credit for his death.  After all a missing person calls for a search but a dead body leaves nothing to wonder about except the killer, in which case it may be better to run (especially under those circumstances).

    I believe there is a chance that old Zed may be enjoying a large meal and a warm bed somewhere, enjoying his well earned retirement...

    What do you think??


    -PatMur

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    • He wouldn't do that to Richard and Kahlan.

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    • I agree with the premise that Zedd may still be alive. 

      However Zedd has never faked his OWN death just that of others.  He used the Death Spell on his daughter, Richards mother, and Kahlan (in Stone of Tears).

      When he left the Midlands he didn't fake his death though just cast a web that made everyone forget his Name and what he looked like.  Without these they wouldn't have been able to recognize him if he was standing right in front of them, which is perhaps as good as dead lol.

      The other reason I kind of agree with you that Zedd is alive is because I mean if Nicci and Kahlan both distrusted the woman I have to believe that Zedd would have as well and would not have blithely approached her without a huge amount of caution.

      After all one of Nicci's main reasons for her distrust was how the women said she was able to detect it was her sisters remains from bones, Nicci does not believe this is possible.  However to counter that we may look back on Debt of Bones and Zedd being able to know things from the skull.

      Sadly it is the Wizards first rule in effect here.  I want to believe he is alive, or don't want to believe him dead, so I come up with a bunch of reasons he could be alive.  Perhaps one of my main reasons is that I kind of agree with his death being to easy for such a powerful character, I mean it doesn't even really serve a purpose or reason.

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    • The faked death by beheading was not of Zedd, but of the Mother Confessor, Kahlan, if I recall correctly...

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    • 98.21.109.236 wrote:
      He wouldn't do that to Richard and Kahlan.


      I also felt like the novel was short in scripting Zedd's death which adds to my belief he may in fact, not be dead.  We do have to remember that when faking a death, you have to make sure entirely that everyone believes the person to be dead.  Zedd is known for this and in the last showing of faking deaths, it was by beheading as well.


      -Brandon

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    • I feel your sentiments here.

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      For whatever purpose Zedd died for, it could be a call of desperate situation. After all he always would say that himself. I feel he did not intentionally wander around when he woke up that night, did he? Irena can't take chances so she assumed she was being followed and then killed him. The book did not tell how many times she had conversation with Ludwig, only it says much. We can assume that it was not the first time Zedd found Irena slipping off through the night. For all we know Zedd must have set up a spell or something that night for a higher purpose, though it would require him to appear dead. I can think of many things that could happen and I'm sure Terry is already doing his final touches for his next plots. Just can't wait how things would turn out for all of them.

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    • I just realized that saying spoiler alert for anything but facts from the next book in the series is quite pointless lol.  Anyone who comes to this thread by it's very title is aware there will be spoilers.

      Sadly the more I think on Zedds death I start to see more reasons why it could very well be true.  Think about the situation they were all in and how much help Richard & Kahlan needed, it just seems that if he had faked his death it would have been revealed before the end of the book, perhaps by killing Samanthas mother when she tried, as she would have inevitably done, to turn on them.

      However I can also see why he would wish to remain undetected but am not sure how much help this would actually be in the long run.

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    • I want to believe that he's not really gone. But at the same time, one of my theories of how Richard comes back (is there any doubt?) involves Zedd's spirit, so while I don't want him to be gone, it may have been done to set up Richard's return.

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    • If he is not dead - then his *death* was set up so that would be what everyone believed they were seeing.  With that, if he is not dead, he is a prisoner of the "occult forces" IMO.

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    • In my view he is really dead but will help Richard as a soul to come back to the world of life

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    • One reason perhaps for him NOT being dead is this...  Where did his Wizards Rock go?! 

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    • Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead.

      Sorry, couldn't resist.

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    • If you look at the preamble conversation between him and Richard just before he is believed to be killed, its all too convenient.  He mentioned dissapearing and said his goodbyes.  I have no doubt he will pop back in at the right time and save the day.

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    • Don't forget that his true given title is "The Trickster".  In Debt of Bones they tell us this, that he had earned that name.  Although they gave him the name "The Wind of Death" to inspire fear in the enemy it was not his Truly earned name, although he managed to live up to both.

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    • 98.21.109.236 wrote:
      He wouldn't do that to Richard and Kahlan.

      So agree. I mean, Richard is his grandson and pretty much the closest he has to a son. He wouldn't be enjoying a warm meal, but pretending his own death may be an unfortunate necessity for a larger plan

      Of course, as Lyonis said, this is all Wizard's First Rule...though it's on both sides...you may believe he's dead because you are afraid to or believe he's alive because you want to

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    • I don't know, from a reader standpoint I thought the death of Zedd was poorly handled on multiple levels. I don't mind that TG killed Zedd, but more so how he did it. Other than to demonstrate to the reader that Irena had betrayed them and to have her do something evil, there was little purpose served by the death and was just glazed over by the book and characters both.

      I suppose Zedd -could- have done a death spell or something, but really two things undermine that. One, somehow I doubt Zedd prepared a death spell just on the off chance one of their allies would betray them. I suppose it's possible Zedd suspected her enough to do that, but if so that leads into the second question. Why? What's to be gained by faking his own death? If he was ready enough to fake his own death, even taking into account her occult powers, why not warn Richard and stop her instead? Why not surprise her with some magic attack instead of verbally confronting her?

      I'd have to say Zedd's probably dead. Really him showing back up really would just be a deus ex machina and a cheap one at that. Especially when we already all but know Richard's going to be pulling off some sort of Lazarus event in the next novel. TG's characters have always had powerful plot shields, I think Ann's the only other major character that's died in the process of the whole series. Then again I've been reading Martin's works lately where protagonists have the tendency to drop like flies.

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    • I have a strong feeling Red had something to do with the fake death - Especially how the book ends. I have a feeling Hunter leads them back to zedd.

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    • I am really hoping that Zedd isn't dead, and what you guys have said have kind of reinforced my belief in that. That being said I think so for a couple of reason, one of them being that Zedd's death wasn't handled particularly well, also I was kind of wondering if Zedd had some of these occult abilities himself, seeing as how he could easily do things that stunned Ann and Nathan, both of whom studied the gift for nigh on a thousand years. Also there is the fact that he possessed the ability to "read" those bones in the Debt of Bones which Nicci says is not an ability that one with the gift possesses. Although I have no proof of that it is an interesting theory. Again there is the possibility that Zedd dies, and it was just handled poorly.

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    • Gee... What does it matter what anyone thinks about it? Only one person knows what is really going to happen. I will gladly wait for his book and let me be surprised rather than seeing all those far fetched possibilities.

      I know... one of them actually might turn out to be true! Yes sure... When you all keep adding more and more things then chance is that eventually a right one will come up. Does not say anything about that person being smarter than others about it. Just that he accidentaly thought about the same thing as the writer :)

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    • I haven't seen any evidence that there is a new book coming up.  Zed and Richard both died in seemingly pretty final ways.  Is it possible that TG just wanted to end the whole series and kill off the main characters in the most final way he could?  This was done in the final book of C.S. Lewis' Wardrobe series where all the main characters died, thus effectively ending the series.  A lot of people have suggested he move on to a completely new series.  I enjoyed all 17(?) related books, but I wouldn't blame him to want to start fresh.

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    • I wouldn't blame him if he had ended it after Confessor, Law of Nines or even the Magda Searus book.   Problem is that he did Omen Machine to Severed Souls now and I would not forgive him leaving such a story hanging.  I mean come on it would be as if he stopped the original book series at Chainfire or halfway through Faith of the Fallen.

      Even if Zedd and Richard stay dead it would not let him off the hook of continuing the series for at least one more book although I expect there will be at least 2 more at the minimum.

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    • Zed might have faked his death so Richard would follow his advice to leave everything else for real and live alone with Kahlan somewhere. I remember Richard asking Zed at somepoint how he is suppose to live without him in his life. This could be Zed's desperate answer so  he could save his grandson.

      Im so looking forward to next book!

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    • I believe Zedd's death is a plot mechanism of some sort. He is dead, but will guide Richard in the underworld or something of that nature. If Zedd isn't dead, why the note in Irena's journey book. Also, if Zedd is alive, Richard murdered Samantha's mother for no reason. It's bad enough he couldn't form a cohessive thought and tell her her mother killed Zedd. If it turns out Zedd is alive, then Richard can't redeem himself in Samantha's eyes.

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    • 192.55.55.41 wrote:
      I believe Zedd's death is a plot mechanism of some sort. He is dead, but will guide Richard in the underworld or something of that nature. If Zedd isn't dead, why the note in Irena's journey book. Also, if Zedd is alive, Richard murdered Samantha's mother for no reason. It's bad enough he couldn't form a cohessive thought and tell her her mother killed Zedd. If it turns out Zedd is alive, then Richard can't redeem himself in Samantha's eyes.

      I don' t agree. Irena was a traitor and she was going to kill Zedd and watch the rest (even her daughter) murdered by Dreier. Why did she wrote that note of killing the wizard, if she hadn't murdered him before? Even if Zedd had casted the spell, Irena would have believed (as everyone) in his death. Sorry, if you don't understand. My english isn't very good.

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    • new and final book confirmed, the truth of Zed's demise will be know soon enough!

      -Patmur

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    • This is my personal opinion. I think TG killed him to help Richard out in the Underworld. I mean think about it. Most of his allies are still in the land of the living. The only people that are dead that are on his side I think are Denna, Annalina Aldurren, Warren, and Raina.  I guess you can make a case for his mother as well. He's going to need their help if he is going to escape the underworld and save the world of the living.

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    • maybe TG might be using this as a ploy to give him a bit of subtractive magic. Think about it, maybe he crosses the veil again with Richard. Now that he has spent time dead he might have a touch of subtractive magic making him even more formidible.

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    • i dont think Zedd would do something like that to Kahaln or to Richard.

      But what if he did it to save them from somthing going bad

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    • I believe Zedd is dead. I would love for Zedd to be alive, as he is one of my favorite characters, however, what could he really have done to Irena even if he was being cautios. He couldn't kill half people woth occult powers, much less a talented sorceress. I also feel like Zedd had been acting weird. My first thought when they found Zedd dead was that he killed himself. It wouldn't surprise me if he just wasn't alert enough to face Irena.

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    • zed is dead my friend once you read warheart you will understand the flow of time and prophecy need zed to be in the underworld to help Richard in his final conquest if zed wasn't in the underworld he wouldn't be able to help Richard back to his body trust just read the whole series and you will find out

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